Bara/Hoagland Rebuttal Gary P. Posner
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The following is my response to the
Bara/Hoagland rebuttal to
my Skeptical Inquirer article. I will ignore the conjecture and the inflammatory
and irrational diatribes,
and confine my comments to claims of factual errors and the like on my part.
Direct quotes from Bara/Hoagland appear in bold, followed by my response. (Also see my follow-up Skeptical Inquirer article.)
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[The Skeptical Inquirer cover photo] is so bad that it is nearly unrecognizable as [frame] 35A72.
For the cover we used the most famous, ubiquitous "Face" image from the 1976 Viking mission -- the one
that would be most immediately recognizable to everyone. Skeptical Inquirer has run a
follow-up column in the May/June 2001 issue, in which I
included a more enhanced image for comparative purposes.
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They used the
I did indeed use the earlier-released 1998 Mars Global Surveyor frame which, for technical reasons
(due to the way NASA's mapping was being carried out), had turned out slightly "stretched" along the
"Face's" vertical axis (a clue being that the adjacent crater is a bit asymmetrical). As soon as the
difference between this version (which I would now call the "Jay Leno" image), and NASA's
stretch-reduced version, was made clear to me by The
Cydonia Institute (a bit too late -- my own fault),
on my Web site I immediately replaced the former image with the latter, and Skeptical Inquirer
has published the two versions side by side in my May/June 2001
follow-up column.
Even so, admittedly this unstretched image is not the version in the Bara/Hoagland rebuttal that has
been light-reversed by NASA (to more closely simulate the lighting conditions from 1976),
and then further "enhanced" by graphic artist Mark Kelly (including the use of shading around
the eyes) so as to appear more like a face (both of those images also appear in my May/June
follow-up column).
For a fuller explanation of the MGS photos, see
this NASA
Web page.
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Rather than use one of the many images of Hoagland freely available on the web, they insert a
freakishly weird sketch
Unfortunately, I was not made aware of the decision to use a sketch until the issue was on its way
to press, and never even saw it until my magazine arrived in the mail (the sketch was not included
in my page proofs). I agree that the sketch is unflattering -- it was based on a photo found
on Hoagland's Web site, taken while he was recuperating from a heart attack. I regret that
a better photo was not found and used instead (I had initially suggested the one in the upper-left
corner of my Web site's version of the article, but it is of insufficient pixel quality for reproduction
in a magazine).
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[Posner's article] starts off with an immediate Clintonian half-truth.
My opening paragraph was slightly in error. Like Bara does in the above complaint, I misused
"Cydonia" to refer to the few hundred square miles of terrain containing the "Face" and the other
"monuments." But Cydonia actually encompasses a much wider geographical region of Mars, and
though the "monuments" were of no interest to NASA, the
far northern portion of Cydonia was indeed of prime interest for the Viking 2 lander (which is why
Cydonia was photographed so extensively), being at low elevation (so the parchutes would work) and
about as close as a lander could get (due to the mission's latitude constraints) to the edge of the
North Polar Cap, and thus to the possibility of encountering atmospheric water.
Ultimately the terrain there was deemed too rugged to risk a landing (the alternate
Utopia landing site, which turned out to be much rockier than expected, had appeared
in orbital photos to be smoother than Cydonia due to protective sand dunes).
Though the timing was coincidental (both portions of Cydonia -- the proposed landing site and
the "monuments" area -- were, naturally, photographed in close time proximity), the "Face" was
irrelevant to the change of landing sites. For a detailed chronology of the landing site selections,
see these portions of
Chapter 9 and
Chapter 10 in
On Mars: Exploration of the Red Planet 1958-1978
by Ezell & Ezell, NASA SP-4212.
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While it is basically true that Cydonia does not have much in the way of "dried river channels,"
it is thought to be the
location of an ancient Martian ocean and as such would have all the necessary
elements to have supported microbial life. The action of this ocean is in fact one of the many (and
contradictory) explanations frequently cited to account for the process that created the Face in
the first place. So to claim that Cydonia is not a good place to look for life is patently absurd.
I understand the prevailing informed opinion to have been, both at the time of the
Viking mission and Mars Global Surveyor, that Cydonia was most likely never an ocean, and that its features
are more likely the result of erosion by other forces (e.g., wind) rather than water.
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[Posner's mentioning the possibility] that the Face was built by "Earthlings -- from our own
future"
I didn't find this possibility (which I thought of myself) any more "ridiculous" than any other, and
I did not ascribe it to Hoagland. But little did I know (nor does the above complaint hint at)
how close I had actually come to Hoagland's current view; I should have simply instead put the words
"our own past " in his mouth. The following (in bold) is verbatim from Richard Hoagland's
appearance on the Coast to Coast A.M. radio program on the night/morning of Nov. 17/18, 2000:
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[Posner] implies
Though Hoagland does not claim that the Fortress "is an actual fortress," he does represent it as one
of several artificial structures comprising the "City." From the caption to Plate 10 in my 1987
edition of Hoagland's book (the same photo and caption grace the back cover):
"The 'Fortress,' with thick, straight 'walls' and an apparent interior space. The long wall points
directly at the 'D&M Pyramid.'"
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[Posner] then goes on to claim that the D&M Pyramid is on frame 35A72, which it flatly is not.
Plate 1 in my edition of Hoagland's book is labeled "Frame 35A72, low sun angle, NASA batch-processed
version." Item (a) is the "Face," (b) the "city," and (c) the "D&M pyramid." This frame also
appears on this aforementioned
NASA Web page,
and does indeed contain the so-called
"D&M Pyramid" -- the feature touched by the lower horizontal border of the thin
rectangle/parallelogram (which outlines the strip covered by an even higher-resolution camera).
[Note: Following the posting of my response, the above-quoted sentence was promptly removed
from the Bara/Hoagland page.]
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Posner moves into absolutely ridiculous territory, implying that Hoagland is somehow responsible
for corruption in [the] west African nation [of Sierra Leone].
If Bara and Hoagland are capable of drawing such a flawed inference, this may help to explain how
they can reach such weird conclusions about the surface features of Mars.
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[Hoagland] never wrote any of the words attributed to him [in the promotional material for the
stamp set]. The whole "quote" was written by Feinstein and used without Hoagland's permission.
If that is so, I regret repeating the quote which, as I point out, was published by the most
authoritative philatelic news source. But I wonder what part of it Hoagland would disagree with.
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As to the issue of Hoagland "selling" a book on Harder's program
If that is the case, I am happy to clarify the record.
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Readers are asked to please point out to me by e-mail any other
alleged factual errors (or the like) that I have failed to address in this response.
Return to end of my Skeptical Look at Richard Hoagland
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Bara/Hoagland
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